Archive for viscosity

Classical Fluid Analogies for Schrödinger-Newton Systems

Posted in The Universe and Stuff with tags , , , , on July 16, 2025 by telescoper
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I thought I’d mention here a paper now on arXiv that I co-wrote with my PhD student Aoibhinn Gallagher. Here is the abstract:

The Schrödinger-Poisson formalism has found a number of applications in cosmology, particularly in describing the growth by gravitational instability of large-scale structure in a universe dominated by ultra-light scalar particles. Here we investigate the extent to which the behaviour of this and the more general case of a Schrödinger-Newton system, can be described in terms of classical fluid concepts such as viscosity and pressure. We also explore whether such systems can be described by a pseudo-Reynolds number as for classical viscous fluids. The conclusion we reach is that this is indeed possible, but with important restrictions to ensure physical consistency.

arXiv:2507.08583

It is based on work that his in her now-completed PhD thesis, along with another paper mentioned here. I have been interested for many years in the Schrödinger-Newton system (or, more specifically, the Schrödinger-Poisson system in the case where self-gravitational forces are involved). In its simplest form this involves a wave-mechanical representation, in the form of an effective Schrödinger equation, of potential flow described classically by an Euler equation. More recently we got interested in the extent to which such an approach could be used to model viscous fluids represented by a Navier-Stokes equation rather than an Euler equation. That was largely because the effective Planck constant that arises in this representation has the same dimensions as kinematic viscosity (but there’s more to it than that).

In the paper we explored a limited aspect of this, by looking at situations where there is no vorticity (so still a potential flow) but there is viscosity. There aren’t many examples of fluid flow in which there is viscosity but no vorticity, and most of those that do exist are about one-dimensional flow along channels or pipes with boundary conditions that don’t really apply to astrophysics, but one example we did look at in detail was the dissipiation of longitudinal waves in such a fluid.

One upshot of this work is that one can indeed describe some aspects of quantum-mechnical fluids such as ultra-light scalar matter in terms of classical fluid properties, such as viscosity, but you have to be careful. For more information, read the paper!

A problem of fluid flowing through a hole

Posted in Cute Problems with tags , , , , on December 19, 2017 by telescoper

I’m sure you’re all already as bored of Christmas as I am so I thought I’d do you all a favour by giving you something interested to do to distract you from the yuletide tedium,
The cute problem of the water tank I posted a while ago seemed to provide a diversion for many – although only about 10% of respondents go it right – so here’s a similar one. It’s not multiple choice so you will have to write your answers to the two parts in the comments box. As a hint, I’ll  say that this is from some notes on dimensional analysis, and it’s one of the harder problems I have in that file!

An incompressible fluid flows through a small hole of diameter d in a thin plane metal sheet. The volume flow rate R depends on d, on the fluid viscosity η and density ρ, and on the pressure difference p between the two sides of the she

(a) Find the most general possible relationship between the quantities  R, d, η,  ρ, and p.

(b) Measurement of the flow rate R1  through this the hole for a pressure difference p1 is made using a particular fluid. What can be predicted for a fluid of twice the density and one-third the viscosity?

 

As usual, answers through the comments box please!

 

 

A Sticky Physics Problem

Posted in Cute Problems with tags , , on May 1, 2014 by telescoper

As I often do when I’m too busy to write anything strenuous I thought I’d post something from my back catalogue of physics problems. I don’t remember where this one comes from but I think you’ll find it interesting…

Oil of viscosity η and density ρ flows downhill in a flat shallow channel of width w which is sloped at an angle θ. The oil is everywhere of the same depth, d, where d<<w. The effect of viscosity on the side walls can be assumed to be negligible.

If x is a coordinate that represents the vertical position within the flow (i.e. x=0 at the bottom and x=d at the top), write down a differential equation for the velocity within the flow  v(x) as a function of x. Use physical arguments to derive appropriate boundary conditions at x=0 and x=d and use these to solve the equation, thereby determining an explicit form for v(x). Hence determine the volume flow rate in terms of η, ρ, θ, d and w as well as the acceleration due to gravity, g.

As usual, answers through the comments box please!